Cinesias and his father Meles
SocratesAnd what about training choruses and the making of dithyrambs? Doesn’t that plainly look to you like something of the same kind? Or do you think Cinesias son of Meles cares at all about saying something of a kind that would make his hearers better, or about how he is going to gratify the crowd of spectators?
CalliclesThat much is clear, Socrates, in Cinesias’ case at least.
SocratesAnd what of his father Meles? Did it seem to you that he sang to the lyre with his eye on the best? Or, in his case, not even on the most pleasant? For with his singing he used to distress the spectators. But consider now: doesn’t it seem to you that all singing to the lyre, and the making of dithyrambs too, was invented for the sake of pleasure?
CalliclesI think so.