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Of Acharnae and of Alopece

Session 51 of 85495c–496b7 min

SocratesCome, then, since that seems good, draw this distinction for me: you call something knowledge, I suppose?

CalliclesI do.

SocratesAnd weren’t you saying just now that there is a certain courage along with knowledge?

CalliclesYes, I was saying so.

SocratesSo weren’t you speaking of these as two things, courage as different from knowledge?

CalliclesVery much so.

SocratesAnd what about this? Are pleasure and knowledge the same, or different?

CalliclesDifferent, surely, you wisest of men.

SocratesAnd is courage, too, different from pleasure?

CalliclesHow could it not be?

SocratesCome now, let us make sure we remember this: that of stated that the pleasant and the good are the same, but that knowledge and courage are different both from each other and from the good.

CalliclesBut Socrates of does not agree with us on this. Or does he agree?

Here Plato pauses for you495d
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